Today I’m chatting with Justine Pattantyus, a systems navigator for visionaries and change makers from the USA. That means she helps creative minded, intuitive entrepreneurs and business owners all along the trajectory of their journey.

She’s a permaculturalist with a background in business management, corporate social responsibility and marketing and she received her BS in Business Management from an all women’s college, Simmons, in Boston, with a concentration in Leadership.

With a deep love for the environment and the systems that allow us to thrive as humans in a natural world, she got her start in sustainability and corporate social responsibility.

Then, to deepen her understanding of natural systems, she received her Permaculture Design Certificate in 2010 after being first introduced to the concept of permaculture while on a semester abroad in Australia in early 2007.

Over the past 15 years in her career, she has worked with dozens of creative entrepreneurs from jewelry designers, graphic designers and copywriters to ranch consultants, executive coaches, therapists and lean operations professionals.

Justine is such a thoughtful person, with a quiet kind vibe, and it was so wonderful getting to know her better on this podcast. I know you’ll enjoy our conversation too.

Enjoy our ramble through the myth of Inanna and the traditional Hungarian folktale of Kitty Cat, as well as Justine’s relationship with her body and creativity.

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Things we chatted about in this episode:

  • the traditional Hungarian folktale of Kitty Cat
  • the many tasks the sons are set to in the tale
  • the young prince’s concerns and efforts to complete the tasks, how the cat helps him
  • how things can come together without pushing or trying for them when we trust in the unseen forces that can arise when we just allow ourselves to be
  • how this story is a reminder of the feminine creative energy and how it shows up
  • on learning how to surrender into what is
  • letting inspiration flow through without forcing it to show up
  • on tending to her own process, own body, show up for herself and allow the rest to show up on it’s own
  • the process of Human Design
  • the myth of Inanna
  • how potent Inanna’s descent and return is
  • how learning of the story, and seeing herself in the lowest point gave context, understanding and faith that she would come through
  • asking the questions – will this ever end? will I be able to step out of this and be the changed person I want to be
  • how the myth became an encouraging guide


  • relationship with body
  • On having chronic throat issues and how learning to slow down is what cleared the throat issues
  • how the body is almost it’s own entity and intelligence
  • on feeling connected body and mind, but also aware of the body’s intelligence, greater than the conscious awareness
  • how are bodies are built on 14 billion years of evolution, and can we trust that, more than our own specific years of existence? Drawing from Joanna Macy’s work – we have an innate body knowing and wisdom that can come through when we tune in
  • on how our bodies are our greatest teachers when we allow them to guide us
  • on understanding what our bodies like – movement, in the mountains, connecting with trees and plants and animals and connecting with sensations and green and orange foods and…
  • body being the beautiful soft being that is holding us in this reality


  • relationship with creativity
  • on playing music as a kid, but having thought that creativity meant being a traditional artist and that if you don’t do those ‘things’ you’re therefore not creative
  • how creativity is a state of mind, not what you do
  • how creativity is about weaving together permaculture ideas and business
  • creativity is in how we think, and how we produce things with our hands
  • learning how life isn’t just about academics (after being raised in an academically focused family)
  • it means always paying attention and being curious about what’s going on around, noticing the details, how everything weaves together
  • creativity is looking beyond what we can see with our eyes and knowing there’s a conversation through time as well – things built on foundations built by people long dead
  • on the revelation that was learning about permaculture
  • the 12 principles of permaculture
  • on driving around new neighbourhoods critiquing new housing developments (Janelle and her father)
  • on creativity being intrinsic and using intuition and relying on right timing through tuning in deeply
  • on tuning in for a rising of energy, and expansion and aliveness, as a way of knowing where to direct creative energy